Showing posts with label Olympics. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Olympics. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 6, 2013

The 1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer Box..... is IN!



Finally together - with the 1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer, Owners Manual and a copy of a Chronometer Certificate, the original box just arrived from Japan.... this collection centerpiece is beginning to take form....







The box has a decidedly Oriental design, with the sides slightly angled and the base wider than the top. The red cushion is silk-like in texture and the writing is printed on the material. The felt base is removable, and includes a tab as well as an elastic loop to slot the watchband in.

The box is light and appears to be made of pressed cardboard, covered by what appears to be lacquered paper textured to look and feel like leather.

The search continues for the remaining parts of the collection, including a hang-tag, original chronometer certificate and receipt.... Until then, I have prepared a fascimile of the Chronometer Certificate (note the fictitious date and "Fascimile" stamp) based on a 1966 King Seiko Chronometer certificate, which is identical with the exception of the Lion Seal, which was printed after 1965, and should be a gold applied seal for 1964:












Thursday, January 24, 2013

1964 Olympic Seiko One-button Chronograph


Been looking for years for a very specific version of the 5719 one button handwind chronograph: the 1964, metal/black bezel, no lume version. Sorta like this one:





Actually, EXACTLY like this one! I'd actually seen this one on the bay and tried a few tentative offers to no avail. Did the same again with a higher offer and - suddenly it was mine!

The price I offered just made my own hair stand up!! But, thinking about it, this is exactly the one I have been looking for, for the last few years - and now I have it! Have seen them go for less, but I have never been around to pull the trigger! So, is it worth what I paid? Actually, yes - as an integral part of a 1964 Seiko collection, I would say its value is greater than as an individual piece. I know I am going to get a lot of bang for the buck doing the researching ;-) I think the caseback may be slightly above average too, and the October 1964 serial number coincides nicely with the October 1964 Tokyo Olympics:


I always factor into the price of my obsession that I - by researching and documenting significant (aren't they all!) vintage Seiko watches  - are paying back some of the knowledge, education and sheer entertainment provided on Seiko and watch forums by members who have paid their "dues" by investing their cash or time. I personally would have a hard time justifying costs if I couldn't share - or receive - the fruits of this obsession!

Here's an interesting piece of information from the Official Report of the Organizing Committee for the Games of the XVIII Olympiad 1964 - 50 Crown Chronographs were presented as Torch Relay gifts. One wonders if they were specially inscribed, or with a special bezel/dial combination - or... perhaps... 5718s?





To those not familiar with the 5717 Crown chronographs, they came in a bewildering variety: black dials / white dials; with/without lume; steel, plastic and steel/insert bezels; date/no-date. I tried once to summarize the different permutations below (please note the 4598 is probably an erroneously typed 45899):







(Figure reference: Vintage Seiko GS Chronometer Crown Liner 5722 5719 book /eBay)

Friday, December 21, 2012

1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer in advertising.

With the exception of a few photos in 1964 Seiko catalogues, I have never before seen a second generation Grand Seiko Chronometer depicted in an advertisement, until I stumbled over this in an eBay auction...



Thursday, September 27, 2012

A short ramble on the caseback transformation of a 1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer



A short ramble on the caseback transformation of a 1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer



Background

The 1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer (caliber 430 / 43999) is a landmark timepiece, introduced by Seiko during the year of the 18th Olympiad in Tokyo. Seiko timed the games flawlessly, and their success at the 1964 Olympic Games gave Seiko international respect and credibility. 

In 1964 Seiko entered the Astronomical Observatory Chronometer Concourse in Neuchatel, Switzerland for the first time and secured a 144th and 153rd place amongst the worlds finest chronometers. In 1967, SEIKO secured 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th and 12th place in the Chronometer Concours, winning 2nd and 3rd place in 1968. In 1969, with the advent of quartz movements, the Observatory contests of Neuchatel ended. During the early 1960s Seiko displayed the 'Chronometer' name on selected, precision watches which had passed the in-house Seiko chronometer standard testing, the equivalent of the BO (Basel Observatory) Chronometer standard, but stopped displaying the ‘Chronometer’ designation in 1966 due to the lack of independent CICC Certification facilities in Japan. Today, precision Seiko watches displaying the simple ‘Chronometer’ designation are a rarity sought after by collectors, and perfectly reflect Seiko’s “finest decade”.

Caliber 430 (43999) Chronometer movement

Concealed below the subdued, pearl silver sunburst dial with faceted, applied steel markers and the modest legend: "SEIKO Chronometer, Grand Seiko, Diashock 35 Jewels" beats a chronometer-grade movement defined by hand-selected and impeccably finished components, fine regulator, self-compensating hairspring, generous jeweling and large balance.




A movement of such significance deserves to be exhibited, and soon after acquiring this "second generation" Grand Seiko Chronometer, I began to examine the possibility of fitting it with an exhibition case back.

The exhibition case back quest begins

First attempts at fitting readily-available exhibition case backs for current Seiko models revealed that the thread diameter of the Grand Seiko was considerably larger than its contemporary counterparts. Searching for other commercially available exhibition backs - such as Invicta and Omega - proved fruitless. 

A custom-made exhibition back for the second generation Grand Seiko appears from time to time on Yahoo Japan, but is prohibitively expensive. For a year the project languished on hold while I pondered the situation. In the interim, a wallpaper of the movement on my iPhone kept the worst withdrawal symptoms at bay...




Finally I turned my attention to the existing case back. The Chronometer movement is cased in a heavily-lugged stainless steel case with threaded caseback.




The case-back shows the original 18k Gold Lion medallion used to denote “chronometer-grade” pieces.  The case back on my example was heavily worn, and I began to consider the possibility of converting it to an exhibition back by machining it to remove the medallion, similar to the 4520-8000 case back that had it's medallion cut out of the original back to convert to a display back: http://home.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-17/pi-5006838/ti-756433/s-0/ 

With this in mind, I posted a request on SCWF in an attempt to find someone willing and able to perform the conversion.

Months passed, and apart from some PM's offering some suggestions, my search remained fruitless. Until two months ago, when I was contacted by a forum member (who wishes to remain anonymous) who offered his help on the condition that the original case back remain unmolested, in order to maintain the historic integrity of the Grand Seiko. The correct way to obtain an exhibition back, he admonished, would be to source a more common case back with the same dimensions as the original, as a base for the conversion.

The breakthrough

As I had earlier explored the possibility of a donor case back, it had become apparent that the dimensions of the GS case back where not standard, as least not as far as commonly available case backs where concerned. Now encouraged, I borrowed a digital micrometer and was able to measure the following dimensions:





I then googled "seiko case back 31mm" and found a reference to a 7T32 (Quartz) case back. Grubbing through my parts box I found a 7T92 and lo and behold the caseback fitted:





However, due to the thinness of the quartz movement, the case back is a lot shallower than the original, so snugging it down stopped the movement (oops!) while backing off just slightly freed up the movement again. Clearly, not the solution to our problem!

Our next tactic was to consider the case number itself, in order to determine if we could glean some useable information there. Although no case number was apparent, the GS 43999 is identical to the GS 5722-9990/9991, so I assumed the case number is 9990/9991 (and possibly the same case as the King Seiko 44-9990 and 4420-9990 chronometers, although this remains to be confirmed). However, I also found the 9990 case number used on early 60s 6xxx caliber dresswatches, but this is a completely different case. Pretty much a dead end.

What we did have to go on, however, was a small sliver of information: the case back gasket number for the 7T calibers is FH3080B0A, so any non-quartz case back using a XX308XXXX gasket might be a matching fit. On boley.de we could see that the Seiko 7009 (5110,5140,5150,5160,5180,5200,511A,520A) also uses a FH3080B0A caseback gasket, and I considered picking up a parts donor on eBay to confirm fit and clearance - the depth of the case back to accommodate the rotor should give plenty of clearance to the hand wind 43999 movement. I was, however, warned that the 700x cases have a different design with respect to gasket fitting, and was linked to Jules Borel instead, who listed the FH3080B0A gasket as being compatible with a number of 6309 caliber dress watches. Reference to a casing guide revealed that the 5722's case gasket number was, in fact, 0C3160B (circular cross-section).  

However, the 7T32 case back had actually fit, although it was too shallow, so I figured the dress 6309s might be worth a shot - maybe I should get a parts donor of one of these? And then... I remembered the 6309 sports watch donor which I used some years ago to replace the balance on a 6309-7040 diver (described here: http://vintageseikoblog.blogspot.dk/2010/04/how-to-replace-balance-and-anchor-seiko.html).


The 6309 case back actually fit perfectly, the flange of the GS caseback has the same dimensions ie: 31mm thread, 33mm total diameter.



The caseback screwed on smoothly and snugged down, indicating the threads where matched, and the 6309 case back  was 0.5mm thicker than the GS caseback (3.0 mm vs 2.5mm). 



The transformation begins

We decided to go ahead with a cut-and-hope tactic, as the case back from the 6309 sports watch was expendable and thus an excellent candidate. The next decision to make was whether to cut the aperture into the flat surface (22mm) or onto the slated surface (permitting a 25-27mm aperture). At this stage we where still faced with a number of unknowns, including the feasibility of cutting a crystal seat on the slanted surface of the case back, and the possibility of deformation when machining a larger aperture.

A mock-up started with an approx 22mm cut-out- followed by an approximately 24 and 27mm cut-out. At 24mm there was certainly more shown of the movement, with less of a port-hole effect, and less shadows around the edges. 27mm was considered too large, as this might compromise the rigidity of the caseback. A 0.8mm thin, 25.4mm diameter sapphire crystal was duly sourced, and the 6309 case back was slipped in the post.




The donor case back had previously been gouged, so the decision was made to attempt to machine the gouges out, leaving the surface unpolished in order to highlight the polished surfaces of the chronometer movement which where to be showcased.



Finally, the machining of the aperture took place, and the crystal was fitted with an adhesive that is cured with both heat and UV light - slightly flexible once cured, and not given to discoloration over time. 

The end result, I think, speaks for itself...










The first time I saw that movement with the fantastic apellation "Chronometer" etched in gold, I knew I had to have it displayed. Friends and colleagues (many of them WIS themselves) shake their heads at my passion for this specific GS, but the 43999 movement is so breathtakingly beautiful that giving it the chance to speak for itself, the balance wheel pulsing under sapphire, will certainly open a few eyes. But most importantly, I will have the thrill of enjoying the movement on a daily basis, exponentially increasing my appreciation of this - for me - most significant of watches!

This post closes with my heartfelt thanks to the SCWF forum member who made this possible. In spite of a busy schedule, he took the time to answer my questions patiently and in great detail. The quality of the work done, and the attention to detail are truly outstanding. My appreciation of his extensive help and encouragement are unbounded, and I have got a lot of karma to pass on. This is truly the essence of a great forum… at the end of the day, nothing can ever match the forum members themselves and their fundamental helpfulness and willingness to contribute their - often hard earned - knowledge and experience!

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012

1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer vs. Rolex Oysterquartz



Today, I had the opportunity to compare a colleagues Rolex Oysterquartz, which he had inherited from his father, with the 1964 Grand Seiko Chronometer. Both are discreet, vintage steel watches, and both lie in approximately the same price frame, with the Rolex slightly more expensive.

Rolex Oysterquartz: For those not familiar with the Oysterquartz: "In 1977, after five years of design, development, and testing, Rolex introduced their first completely in-house quartz movements (the 5035 and 5055) and the Datejust (5035) and Day-Date (5055) Oysterquartz models that would house them. When they were introduced, the 5035 and 5055 quartz modules were marvels of technology as well as fit and finish. These 11 jewel movements utilized the latest CMOS circuitry, a 32khz oscillator, and analog thermocompensation. In addition, they were finished to even higher standards than Rolex's mechanical movements. It is no exaggeration to say that even today, no quartz movement produced by any watch company can compare to the 5035/5055 from the standpoint of sheer beauty." Reference: http://www.oysterquartz.net/


Grand Seiko Chronometer: The 1964 second-generation cal.430/43999 Grand Seiko Chronometer presented here is an original low-beat (18000bph) chronometer, superseded by high-beat (36000bph) and VFA (very fine adjustment) chronometers developed following Seiko’s international successes at the Astronomical Observatory Chronometer competitions. The present watch contains a chronometer-grade cal.430 movement defined by hand-selected components, fine regulator, self-compensating hairspring (reference needed), generous jeweling and large balance. Reference: http://vintageseikoblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/reflections-on-1964-cal-43043999-grand.html



The following is a pictorial summary of my half-hour sojourn with both watches:




The Rolex is marginally heavier than the Grand Seiko (112g / 107g). The Rolex was relatively small at Ø=34mm with the Grand Seiko weighing in at 36mm diameter. The Grand Seiko has an aftermarket bracelet (19mm endpieces/22mm SuperOyster bracelet) while the Rolex has a slightly less substantial integrated bracelet. The Rolex bracelet has a simple click-clasp while the Grand Seiko has a spring-loaded clasp with safety catch.


Indices and hands (bamboo leaf shape) on the Grand Seiko are multifacetted and highly polished, giving pleasing reflections of light while increasing readability. The Rolex has simpler indices and baton hands, giving a more subdued look - my colleague complained he couldn't read the dial as easily as he could his quartz Seiko.


The Grand Seiko has a simple pull-out crown, quick-setting date and time is very precise and there is no "slop" in the movement. The Rolex has the legendary Oyster screw-down crown, opening and closing the crown is very smooth and precise. The crown wobbles slightly when unscrewed, quick-setting the date was a bit fiddly, otherwise timesetting was precise and without "slop". The Grand Seiko has a nicely framed, legible date while the Rolex has the amazingly effective, trademark cyclops.

The Grand Seiko flashes and sparkles charmingly in spite of its discrete layout, while the Rolex is considerably more conservative. Both watches are very discrete and competent and both are a pleasure to wear.

Saturday, December 3, 2011

Runners high - on the road with a 1964 Seiko cal. 5717 Olympic Chronograph


Runners high - on the road with a 1964 Seiko cal. 5717 Olympic Chronograph 



The men's marathon was part of the Athletics at the 1964 Summer Olympics program in Tokyo (Wikipedia). It was held on 21 October 1964. 79 athletes from 41 nations entered, with 68 starting and 58 finishing. Abebe Bikila from Ethiopia won the race in a world-record time of 2h12m and became the first athlete in history to win the Olympic marathon twice. Third place went to Kokichi Tsuburaya of Japan (possibly the runner in the Seiko brochure above) in a time of 2h16min. For the occasion of the Tokyo Olympics, Seiko introduced the caliber 5717 One-button chronograph, and almost certainly this chronograph would have been used by spectators to time this race.

On December 3, 2011 Harry, Denmark decided to run 5km against time on a particularly stormy afternoon wearing an almost perfect 1964 caliber 5717 One-button chronograph, although this race would be different: this time, the Seiko was on a non-original bracelet:



Essential to any good run are the right shoes. Not your daughters shoes, or the brown leather shoes you got last Christmas and never wore, but your own favorite running shoes you eventually find under your son's bed:


Properly kitted, the next stage of a successful run usually takes place outside, where you wonder whether it would not in fact be better to get out of the rain and watch some sport on TV instead:





At this stage its worth looking at your watch to see if there is any daylight left, which there unfortunately was. Thus starts the Loneliness of the Overweight Runner. Turn the bezel (the same as on the 62MAS diver) to the minute hand, fire up the iPod and you're off! Exactly 5km later you stop the chrono in a blaze of pain and read off your time - 33m19s:


A new personal record (by 7s) which brings you one step closer to being in reasonable physical form (for a 47-year old). I felt a small tinge of pride as I remembered starting to run regularly a few months ago, and not being able to complete more than a single km without stopping to walk!

Its a great feeling to have a dedicated vintage running watch from your birth year, a Seiko and from the year of the Tokyo Olympics at that! As a collector, I really enjoy using this 47-year old watch for its intended purpose, and having it work as precisely and elegantly as the day it was sold. There is some wear on the caseback, revealing that this watch has been worn and used, while at the same time it has been cared for and appreciated by its original owner. Case lines, dial and brushed finished are pristine, and only the caseback and a few scratches on the bezel indicate that this watch has ever been used:





Finally a shot of two Olympian timekeepers, the 1964 caliber 5717 One-button chronograph and its bigger counterpart, the 1964 caliber 9011 (90ST) 1/10s Olympic stopwatch: